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Butters
09-03-09, 12:30 PM
A marathon post but please bear with it as your input would be greatly appreciated. :)

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Ok so following on from the 'ooooops I've just had a moment of weakness' thread I have been on a bit of a personal journey and am teetering on the edge of making some very controversial decisions, well for me anyway!

Having taken 6 months out of car ownership to straighten out my finances and prepare for an E46 M3 Convertible purchase in time for the Millau Tour, I got a little impatient and acquired a track project.

As you know I originally bought my lovely E30 325i on ebay 4 weeks ago for less than a bag of sugar with the full intention of stripping her out and building a competent trackday car with full cage and the rest to go with it. In the 4 weeks since I haven't even had a chance to wash the car nevermind start the project so have just been driving her about.

In this short period of time I have rediscovered what a joy it is to own such a well engineered old school car. A silky smooth straight 6 at the front and driven wheels at the back in a shell that when compared to a modern day equivalent doesn't weigh a whole hell of a lot. It has done nothing but put a smile on my face and an even bigger smile in my wallet. I took the risk of buying a one way ticket to Wolverhampton from Sevenoaks (Kent) to collect a car that I hadn't seen and drive it home. Since then I have been to Bristol for a Stag Do, Oxford for a Wedding and the South Coast for a lunch. I have covered the best part of 1000 miles. Each and every one a joy and have used three tanks of fuel in a car that currently costs a whopping £45 to fill up. ;-)

I am currently enjoying this car so much that I just don't see the point in buying the M3 which is going to cost around £15k and like the E30 only get driven one or two days a week. It does the job and well. Instead of stripping and ruining what is a lovely car I am now upgrading the car from it's comfortable 'SE' spec with a mint 'Sport' interior including factory Recaro seats along with some lightweight period BBS split rims, both of which I will be collecting this Saturday. I will still make all the chassis upgrades for track as before but will be able to use the car on weekends for some B-Road fun and make the trip to the supermarket with relative comfort and composure.

I guess the only thing that it doesn't do well is keeping up with the Jones' being a 19 year old BMW with a couple of parking dents and some surface rust on the rear arches but I am of the school of thought who don't particularly worry about what others think as long as I am happy with my decision.

So to the dilemma...

I am smitten with my new (and very inexpensive) toy. I am happy to park the M3 purchase plan at least through the Summer this year or until such time I do get bored with my little E30 and desire a bit more ooomph.

But...

I am embarking upon a little adventure with some of you on April 17th for a 5 day, 1700 mile buzz around France, called the Millau Tour.

Much to my Girlfriend's dismay (Sarah is my Co-Driver) I am toying with the idea of using the E30 for the trip. If I was doing it on my own or with a friend coming along for the ride I'd happily use it but am just worried it may take a little of the shine off the trip for her. I'm paying for the trip for me but am really glad that she was happy to come along and join me on this adventure. She of course had visions of us comfortably cruising down there in the M3 and isn't really a fan of my recent purchase and of course the company of other fine cars we will be keeping on the road. :leaving:

So my options...

1. Hire something nice. I have looked into this but given the fact we will go abroad and mileage that we are going to cover I will get penalised massively. Still an option though.

2. Buy something nice at auction so that I can sell it quickly on my return for the price I paid, undercutting most others for a similar car. I might even make a little to pay for my petrol costs.

3. Spend the money I would have spent hiring a car (£1000+) on the E30 which will more than cover getting it fully checked over, sorting any advisories and visiting a body shop to restore the rear arches...leaving her reliable, fit and looking presentable.


I have 5 weeks to arrange and action the chosen option, so realistically not that much time. This dilemma keeps going round and round in my head so figured I could turn to a group of friends and sensible people to see what they think. I know that ultimately it's my decision to make but there is no harm in a second opinion.

Many thanks in advance and roll on April 17th... :party:

James. :coolgleamA:

Harsh
09-03-09, 13:11 PM
right....lots of questions in there James...

let me give you my point of view.

the E30 is a fabulous car and you will have a lot of fun if you bring it on tour with us.
you already know we have no issues with what cars come on tour so that isn't a problem.

in terms of comfort, hmmm it was good enough for the late eighties and nineties and was the car to have. so as long as Sarah has been fine with it up to now i think it'll be ok.
So all in all i think the E30 would be fine on the trip.

However if you're thinking of buying something anyway here are a couple of thoughts
just to leftfield you a bit, how about something silly like a tvr chim which you could buy, run and sell on for the hell of owning a TVR
e.g.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/897427.htm


or, if you want to stay bavarian, how about a classic 6 series?
a good one?
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/913152.htm

another one
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/914868.htm

a project car........
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/859144.htm

Harsh
09-03-09, 13:23 PM
or........ if you want to go back to the VAG group how about something like this?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/918386.htm

Butters
09-03-09, 13:39 PM
Thanks for all your input Bachi, it's much appreciated. I think the main thing is that I am beginning to realise having spent so much money on cars over the years and now straightened out my finances that I am reluctent to spend so much money when I only drive on the weekends and most of the time that is me making excuses to drive because I love doing so.

Some great suggestions there and it's funny you should suggest the Chim as they have caught my attention more recently due to their market value. No doubt I'll get shot down for saying so but the uncertainty I am led to believe with such ownership from the 'will it start today' to the 'have I got an engine re-build on the cards', just doesn't suit me. I don't think I could live with it and it could potentially wreck the whole tour for me and Sarah.

I have also been keeping my eye on a Corrado VR6 funnily enough on another forum which has been up for a while now and has not sold so I could maybe make an offer. It's up for a similar price with 20k less on the speedo, full history and in a better colour. Hmm...

...Now you have got me thinking as with my discipline for car care I don't see the value of these dropping off anymore really...

James. :)

Dan H
09-03-09, 15:26 PM
I have a 4th option for you - bung me £200 for my fuel & I'll take her as my passenger for you!!

Seriously though, I'm sure the 325i would be fine on the trip & whilst I think they are great, I see where you are coming from with it not being "special" enough.

I think buy something to use, the idea of a Chim is something that keeps popping in to my head too.

Butters
09-03-09, 16:25 PM
Obviously Dan you have a lovely S2000 which is a cracking car but there is a little part of you, like myself, that desires something a little 'special'. Not that the Honda isn't but it's sensible, refined, tight and discreet.

A chim shouts from the mountain tops and burbles at the lights.

I don't want to spend £15k, but maybe I could spend half...

Sell it when I come back, or maybe not. ;-)

I have a long history of VAG group cars and would love a Corrado but I suppose when you break it down, it's a FWD V6 with 189bhp versus my E30 which is a 6 cylinder also, RWD with 170bhp. I may as well use the E30 as the Corrado really isn't offering me anything more.

James.

chevy-stu
10-03-09, 04:14 AM
Get something cheap and stupid with a V8... You only live once.!!! Chim sounds good, remember the basic parts for these are reliable.. I'll gladly search some silly yank V8 stuff for you if you want..

When you get back decide which car to keep, you may have fallen in love with the new car, or really decide that the E30 does it for you.

Personally I'd get this, quick enough, handles ok (ish), relatively economical, open top !
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-CONVERTIBLE_W0QQitemZ280318092411QQcmdZViewItemQQp tZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item280318092411&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318

Dan H
10-03-09, 08:15 AM
Obviously Dan you have a lovely S2000 which is a cracking car but there is a little part of you, like myself, that desires something a little 'special'. Not that the Honda isn't but it's sensible, refined, tight and discreet.

A chim shouts from the mountain tops and burbles at the lights.

I don't want to spend £15k, but maybe I could spend half...

Sell it when I come back, or maybe not. ;-)

I have a long history of VAG group cars and would love a Corrado but I suppose when you break it down, it's a FWD V6 with 189bhp versus my E30 which is a 6 cylinder also, RWD with 170bhp. I may as well use the E30 as the Corrado really isn't offering me anything more.

James.

Yeah, the Honda is a great car, but also a daily driver for me - so has to be a little sensible.

One of my thoughts is to get rid of and have a Chim & a sensible car.

Anyway this thread's not about me! For you, as you say, the Corrado isn't different enough from the BMW (other than FWD RWD stuff) - how about something daft like a Caterham?

Butters
11-03-09, 13:27 PM
My other issue is that I do not have a garage or driveway where I live so feel certain cars may be left too exposed. This is one of the reasons that I worry about the purchase fo something like a TVR because it will sit in a resident's parking bay on the street most of the time. Anything like an Elise or TVR with it's composite clamshell construction is just asking to get ruined.

Really not sure what to do about this now. Arrrrggghhhh!

If the right car comes up I think I'll just go for it and think about whether or not I have time for the E30 as a side project when we get back. I've owned it for 4 weeks and not had a chance to get started. Looking at my diary I won't touch it until Easter weekend as it is so 2 months with no progress. Doesn't bode well does it...

James.

P.S. If I clean her up I could potentially even make a little bit on the top which will help with the fuel for the trip!

Butters
11-03-09, 13:28 PM
Get something cheap and stupid with a V8... You only live once.!!! Chim sounds good, remember the basic parts for these are reliable.. I'll gladly search some silly yank V8 stuff for you if you want..

When you get back decide which car to keep, you may have fallen in love with the new car, or really decide that the E30 does it for you.

Personally I'd get this, quick enough, handles ok (ish), relatively economical, open top !
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CHEVROLET-CORVETTE-CONVERTIBLE_W0QQitemZ280318092411QQcmdZViewItemQQp tZAutomobiles_UK?hash=item280318092411&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318



Thanks for the offer of help Stu, much appreciated!

That Vette looks amusing. :coolgleamA:

James.

Harsh
11-03-09, 14:43 PM
As a left hooker it's also perfect for the Euro trip too :)

Ben-san
16-03-09, 14:00 PM
I can confirm that Butters is indeed bonkers. BUT, always thoughtful about his choices and the quality stuff he ends up owning really shows for it.

James, I know it's red, but surely this ticks quite a few boxes?

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/884157.htm

Harsh
16-03-09, 15:04 PM
it really is very red indeed isnt it....

for some reason (although it is actually a very good car indeed) i cant get my head around how red it is, doesn't seem to work for a Z4


did i mention it was red?

Dan H
16-03-09, 15:20 PM
Strangely enough, I spotted that on Autotrader last night.

Still being bugged by the idea of a Z4M, but being bugged more by the wife.

No harm in looking though :D

jumplead
16-03-09, 18:56 PM
*cough* Chim *cough*

But then i'm bias

Dan H
16-03-09, 20:32 PM
Daily driver??

Anyway, I went to the Yamaha shop today . . . . .

Edit to try and keep it remotely on topic. . .

The Chim would be a great idea for you James, and it would be fine parked in a private car park :)

Butters
17-03-09, 14:52 PM
Hi there Guys, a bit of an update...

Well Ben it's funny you should post the Alpina Roadster as I was dead set on buying one about 5 weeks back. There was a black one for sale at Sytner Nottingham which is one of the few official Alpina/BMW main dealers. It was the same age but had 10k less mies on it and was a LUX model which was fully loaded included factory satnav. It was only £1000 more than that one so an absolute bargain. I made my mind up that I was going to buy it and then started calling insurance companies...

...having always been lead to believe that Alpinas offered similar if not better performance to their 'M' equivalent model with more sensible servicing and 'cheaper insurance' I was really surprised with what I found!

Having been quoted £1100 on an '05' E46 M3 of a similar value I couldn't believe it when the absolute cheapest I could get the Roadster down to was £1800...and that was after plenty of white lies when asked what I had already been quoted. I'd knock a couple of hundred pounds off and call the next one. Even an Alpina specialist insurer wanted £2600. :(

I just thought what am I getting for an extra £700 on top of the quotation on the M3. The money I would save on servicing would go straight on insurance!

So what next...the M3 is still an option but we now have what...about 4 weeks to go. Hmm...

Now a Chim would be absolutely fantastic but and it's a big one, my current parking situation is on the road albeit in a very safe area. It is resident parking but on the road in Sevenoaks so would worry about someone knocking into either the front or rear clam. Also am I just going to get stuck somewhere in mid-France high and dry with a car that won't start and an 'AA' type guy who has never seen anything other than under the hood of a Clio?

I can see exactly what is going to happen...a very impulsive purchase over the next few weeks I expect. :leaving:

James.

Ben-san
18-03-09, 07:38 AM
Also am I just going to get stuck somewhere in mid-France high and dry with a car that won't start and an 'AA' type guy who has never seen anything other than under the hood of a Clio?


Nope, you'll have Robin's head stuck in there and 23 others scratching theirs in unison.

There are plenty of people here (yes you Oli!) that should be able to look something over with you...

Harsh
19-03-09, 13:34 PM
Ben's right, you'll have lots of people to look over it for you....

they wont be able to do anything, but we can all look :)

Butters
19-03-09, 14:24 PM
Ben's right, you'll have lots of people to look over it for you....

they wont be able to do anything, but we can all look :)

I can picture it now!

:smilielol5:


Think I have found a solution to this dilemma that makes sense both financially and ticks the boxes for the roof down, plus comfort, plus long legged car for the trip. Will confirm in the next couple of days...

James.

jumplead
19-03-09, 15:15 PM
If its a Chimaera give me a shout i'll happily let you give mine the once over or offer some what to look out fors. As for the breaking down on the side of the road, hopefully there is enough fezzas and tivs going on this tour that we can dispell the myths of their reliability.

Harsh
19-03-09, 16:12 PM
I can picture it now!

:smilielol5:


Think I have found a solution to this dilemma that makes sense both financially and ticks the boxes for the roof down, plus comfort, plus long legged car for the trip. Will confirm in the next couple of days...

James.

ooooooooohhhhh what what what?

Cactussed
19-03-09, 18:14 PM
What about one of the Z3M breadvans? I've always loved those and they fall wthin budget and tick the right boxes (to my mind)?

Butters
22-03-09, 20:11 PM
Ok so it's all confirmed. My solution which is definitely the best thing all round for me at this time. Loving the E30 as I said and doing some bits to it at the moment which will make it a competent track car and very enjoyable B-Road blast (H&R Suspension, ARBs, new bushes, sport interior and Hartge wheels). It just doesn't make sense to buy and insure another car right now just for the trip as I will no doubt lose some money or get stuck with the new purchase after the tour when I will really want to sell it and get the money back in the bank.

So what has happened?

A very good friend of mine has a couple of cars, one of which is a Boxster S. Due to various commitments he literally never drives it. We had a chat in the pub a week ago and have come to an agreement meaning I will effectively be hiring the the car from him for a long weekend for an agreed and very reasonable fee (which he can put in a pot and contribute to the car's next service). We have purchased the correct insurance and both parties are happy with the arrangement. It get's me out of a forced purchase and his car gets a good long legged run. I will of course look after it as if it were my own and can enjoy the next few weeks leading up to the trip with my dilemma now over.

Not long to go...:party:

James. :coolgleamA:

Dan H
23-03-09, 14:07 PM
Good man :party: